Oracle AppsLab - Latest Comments in Suggest a Session is a Hit

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:16:35 -0000

Sure, we probably need to work on this soon. Drop a note, and we'll talk about requirements.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

davidhaimes — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:28:42 -0000

So if iI have a session that is very similar to another one being proposed, why can't I agree to either
a) Co-present with the other person. or
b) Drop my suggestion and back theirs

Then we can merge ideas and the votes (removing duplicates to maintain one member one vote).

This will remove many duplicates and reduce the noise in a democratic self policing warm and fuzzy way. It will also make for some great sessions, bringing people with similar ideas and interests together - isn't that what mix is about?

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

manalang — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:43:02 -0000

We do sort by "last voted on", sort off. In the OOW group, the default sort
order is "Recently Active." That surfaces an entry if anything was done to
it (i.e., edited, voted on, or commented on). But, you're right, we need to
align all of these views to be more consistent.

Rich

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

eddieawad — Thu, 08 May 2008 22:59:43 -0000

Another sorting order could be "last voted on". So, the last voted on idea will bubble to the surface. Just an idea.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:57:03 -0000

@Danny Corner Case: That's brilliant! I love it.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

dannorris — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:34:24 -0000

Creative Brain not working that well today I guess. Maybe you should have some sort of a randomizer to give them random order? That would give equal fairness to everyone. However, I can see people being frustrated with that :). If it was on a cool, slot-machine-style thingy where I spin it and get 3 random sessions to review, that might be a game I'd play...

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:29:18 -0000

@Dan: We may have to do something, depending on internal decisions that are outside my influence. Either way, I'm not terribly concerned about votes, more so about how to get all the ideas equal time.

Ideas there?

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

dannorris — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:31:15 -0000

Why not allow the submission's author to see who voted for them instead of making votes publicly available? I'd personally like to know who has a mind warped like mine and it would still not cloud the rest of the world (PMs, dev, first-timers, etc). Maybe it's harder to implement that way, but the 'lab has never been one to stop when something looks "hard".

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:38:44 -0000

@Lennard: We've gone around and around on this from the beginning. We keep who voted for what private to encourage new people who aren't used to Digg, etc. to participate. Also, I want product development to focus on ideas, not on people.
We may eventually turn this on, but for now, it's private and will stay that way.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

Lennard — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:08:18 -0000

@manalang, just curious (again) - why not ? I think it will be kinda neat if someone posts and idea and they know who are the like-minded ones who dig that idea. Then you start to see sub-ecosystems forming by like-minded folks under the bigger Mix umbrella. Oracle internal folks can also know who are the people that responded to their idea posts and maybe even connect with them at another medium.

Unless there's a big security implication, I would think it's a good idea to expose the users, not just for the OOW session votes, but even for the idea posts as well (but then again it might be just me)

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

shishir — Wed, 07 May 2008 10:35:59 -0000

gotcha !! and I even submitted an idea there :). am not getting enough time after my not so web2.0 office work. Will send you as soon as I have something concrete :)

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Wed, 07 May 2008 10:35:03 -0000

@shishir: Yeah, you're not alone in suggesting a tag cloud, but it has
several drawbacks IMHO. 1) It advances popular tags, making it tough to
browse, 2) In this case, we would have to have a tag cloud only for OOW
sessions. I think a tag cloud still underserves the middle. This may be the
best way though, stay tuned.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Wed, 07 May 2008 10:20:18 -0000

@shishir: You can submit ideas until June 13 and vote until June 24. Are you still writing a Google App Engine post for me? I got my invite a few days ago and was planning to mess around in there.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

manalang — Wed, 07 May 2008 08:19:00 -0000

@Lennard, yes we track each vote by user. We just don't expose them.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

Lennard — Wed, 07 May 2008 04:11:35 -0000

Just Curious, how do you know who actually *are* the people that voted for a particular session. I mean we see the number of people who want a session, but do we know exactly who ?

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

shishir — Wed, 07 May 2008 02:10:26 -0000

Oops I didn't see that. :(

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Tue, 06 May 2008 21:57:46 -0000

@Chris: Agreed, I suspect the positive response will force the stakeholders into quick action to clarify what's involved, more details, etc. Not by accident, I have definite content in mind for the suggestions I've proposed, but then again, I had a head start :)

We (AppsLab) have been a promotion vehicle only so far, and I'm taking in all the thoughts for the inevitable meeting that we'll need to have soon.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

Chris Muir — Tue, 06 May 2008 20:44:34 -0000

@Jake: I note that some of the submissions are suggestions and ideas, why are others are real sessions proposed by presenters. While ideas and discussions around this are great because they may lead onto presentations, a proposed presentation is a much more substantial beast and needs to be flagged in some way so people can browse them.

Also there is a h3ll of a lot of ideas already building up with the usual duplicates and cross ideas that needs careful pruning, otherwise the usual duplicate clutter is going to happen.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:47:17 -0000

Turns out Raimonds is doing some self-promotions for his Rails session too :)

http://twitter.com/rsim/statuses/804580498

http://blog.rayapps.com/2008/05/04/session-prop...

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

jkuramot — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:31:46 -0000

@Dan: Woah, letters sounds too new-fangled. I was thinking carrier pigeons or smoke signals.

Product categories means another taxonomy. We have enough problems with the one we have. Do not want another to maintain. I want easier, and I know you can do better.

You found us out; we're using our enormous budget to pay for votes. You better hurry or all my voting budget will be spent, nothing left for your sessions.

Re: Suggest a Session is a Hit

Dan Norris — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:40:07 -0000

I think you should write letters to each and every user and mail them via USPS. I mean, obviously USPS has got to be hurting for cash, so why not help the postal workers? :)

Seriously, I don't see why you couldn't offer some product categories. Maybe a session is allowed to be part of multiple categories (just like I have multiple products listed in my profile). You'd also need some new categories that aren't product-based, like Social Networking and other less-concrete ideas. I'd like to be able (right now) to filter by at least a product area (DB, Middleware, Apps, IdM) to be able to page through things that I find most interesting.

Oh, and stop paying people to vote for your session, it isn't fair. ;)

P.S. As soon as I get enough people to agree to vote for my idea(s), I'll get 'em in.