So if iI have a session that is very similar to another one being proposed, why can't I agree to either a) Co-present with the other person. or b) Drop my suggestion and back theirs
Then we can merge ideas and the votes (removing duplicates to maintain one member one vote).
This will remove many duplicates and reduce the noise in a democratic self policing warm and fuzzy way. It will also make for some great sessions, bringing people with similar ideas and interests together - isn't that what mix is about?
Jake
· 1 year ago
Sure, we probably need to work on this soon. Drop a note, and we'll talk about requirements.
Dan Norris
· 1 year ago
I think you should write letters to each and every user and mail them via USPS. I mean, obviously USPS has got to be hurting for cash, so why not help the postal workers? :)
Seriously, I don't see why you couldn't offer some product categories. Maybe a session is allowed to be part of multiple categories (just like I have multiple products listed in my profile). You'd also need some new categories that aren't product-based, like Social Networking and other less-concrete ideas. I'd like to be able (right now) to filter by at least a product area (DB, Middleware, Apps, IdM) to be able to page through things that I find most interesting.
Oh, and stop paying people to vote for your session, it isn't fair. ;)
P.S. As soon as I get enough people to agree to vote for my idea(s), I'll get 'em in.
Jake
· 1 year ago
@Dan: Woah, letters sounds too new-fangled. I was thinking carrier pigeons or smoke signals.
Product categories means another taxonomy. We have enough problems with the one we have. Do not want another to maintain. I want easier, and I know you can do better.
You found us out; we're using our enormous budget to pay for votes. You better hurry or all my voting budget will be spent, nothing left for your sessions.
shishir
· 1 year ago
Oops I didn't see that. :(
Jake
· 1 year ago
@shishir: You can submit ideas until June 13 and vote until June 24. Are you still writing a Google App Engine post for me? I got my invite a few days ago and was planning to mess around in there.
shishir
· 1 year ago
gotcha !! and I even submitted an idea there :). am not getting enough time after my not so web2.0 office work. Will send you as soon as I have something concrete :)
Jake
· 1 year ago
@shishir: Yeah, you're not alone in suggesting a tag cloud, but it has several drawbacks IMHO. 1) It advances popular tags, making it tough to browse, 2) In this case, we would have to have a tag cloud only for OOW sessions. I think a tag cloud still underserves the middle. This may be the best way though, stay tuned.
Jake
· 1 year ago
Turns out Raimonds is doing some self-promotions for his Rails session too :)
@Jake: I note that some of the submissions are suggestions and ideas, why are others are real sessions proposed by presenters. While ideas and discussions around this are great because they may lead onto presentations, a proposed presentation is a much more substantial beast and needs to be flagged in some way so people can browse them.
Also there is a h3ll of a lot of ideas already building up with the usual duplicates and cross ideas that needs careful pruning, otherwise the usual duplicate clutter is going to happen.
Jake
· 1 year ago
@Chris: Agreed, I suspect the positive response will force the stakeholders into quick action to clarify what's involved, more details, etc. Not by accident, I have definite content in mind for the suggestions I've proposed, but then again, I had a head start :)
We (AppsLab) have been a promotion vehicle only so far, and I'm taking in all the thoughts for the inevitable meeting that we'll need to have soon.
Lennard
· 1 year ago
Just Curious, how do you know who actually *are* the people that voted for a particular session. I mean we see the number of people who want a session, but do we know exactly who ?
manalang
· 1 year ago
@Lennard, yes we track each vote by user. We just don't expose them.
Lennard
· 1 year ago
@manalang, just curious (again) - why not ? I think it will be kinda neat if someone posts and idea and they know who are the like-minded ones who dig that idea. Then you start to see sub-ecosystems forming by like-minded folks under the bigger Mix umbrella. Oracle internal folks can also know who are the people that responded to their idea posts and maybe even connect with them at another medium.
Unless there's a big security implication, I would think it's a good idea to expose the users, not just for the OOW session votes, but even for the idea posts as well (but then again it might be just me)
Jake
· 1 year ago
@Lennard: We've gone around and around on this from the beginning. We keep who voted for what private to encourage new people who aren't used to Digg, etc. to participate. Also, I want product development to focus on ideas, not on people. We may eventually turn this on, but for now, it's private and will stay that way.
Dan Norris
· 1 year ago
Why not allow the submission's author to see who voted for them instead of making votes publicly available? I'd personally like to know who has a mind warped like mine and it would still not cloud the rest of the world (PMs, dev, first-timers, etc). Maybe it's harder to implement that way, but the 'lab has never been one to stop when something looks "hard".
Jake
· 1 year ago
@Dan: We may have to do something, depending on internal decisions that are outside my influence. Either way, I'm not terribly concerned about votes, more so about how to get all the ideas equal time.
Ideas there?
Dan Norris
· 1 year ago
Creative Brain not working that well today I guess. Maybe you should have some sort of a randomizer to give them random order? That would give equal fairness to everyone. However, I can see people being frustrated with that :). If it was on a cool, slot-machine-style thingy where I spin it and get 3 random sessions to review, that might be a game I'd play...
Jake
· 1 year ago
@Danny Corner Case: That's brilliant! I love it.
Eddie Awad
· 1 year ago
Another sorting order could be "last voted on". So, the last voted on idea will bubble to the surface. Just an idea.
manalang
· 1 year ago
We do sort by "last voted on", sort off. In the OOW group, the default sort order is "Recently Active." That surfaces an entry if anything was done to it (i.e., edited, voted on, or commented on). But, you're right, we need to align all of these views to be more consistent.
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a) Co-present with the other person. or
b) Drop my suggestion and back theirs
Then we can merge ideas and the votes (removing duplicates to maintain one member one vote).
This will remove many duplicates and reduce the noise in a democratic self policing warm and fuzzy way. It will also make for some great sessions, bringing people with similar ideas and interests together - isn't that what mix is about?
Seriously, I don't see why you couldn't offer some product categories. Maybe a session is allowed to be part of multiple categories (just like I have multiple products listed in my profile). You'd also need some new categories that aren't product-based, like Social Networking and other less-concrete ideas. I'd like to be able (right now) to filter by at least a product area (DB, Middleware, Apps, IdM) to be able to page through things that I find most interesting.
Oh, and stop paying people to vote for your session, it isn't fair. ;)
P.S. As soon as I get enough people to agree to vote for my idea(s), I'll get 'em in.
Product categories means another taxonomy. We have enough problems with the one we have. Do not want another to maintain. I want easier, and I know you can do better.
You found us out; we're using our enormous budget to pay for votes. You better hurry or all my voting budget will be spent, nothing left for your sessions.
several drawbacks IMHO. 1) It advances popular tags, making it tough to
browse, 2) In this case, we would have to have a tag cloud only for OOW
sessions. I think a tag cloud still underserves the middle. This may be the
best way though, stay tuned.
http://twitter.com/rsim/statuses/804580498
http://blog.rayapps.com/2008/05/04/session-prop...
Also there is a h3ll of a lot of ideas already building up with the usual duplicates and cross ideas that needs careful pruning, otherwise the usual duplicate clutter is going to happen.
We (AppsLab) have been a promotion vehicle only so far, and I'm taking in all the thoughts for the inevitable meeting that we'll need to have soon.
Unless there's a big security implication, I would think it's a good idea to expose the users, not just for the OOW session votes, but even for the idea posts as well (but then again it might be just me)
We may eventually turn this on, but for now, it's private and will stay that way.
Ideas there?
order is "Recently Active." That surfaces an entry if anything was done to
it (i.e., edited, voted on, or commented on). But, you're right, we need to
align all of these views to be more consistent.
Rich