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Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Jake — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:15:17 -0000

@Oliver: IE6 to IE7 shows the shift caused by Firefox; in the 5 years between the two, MSFT had to shift development to support standards and modern browser features that weren't in the original product plan for IE7.

One bummer side effect is that apps built for IE6 never considered other browsers, and they won't port to more open browsers, including IE7. Ironic.

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Oliver — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:28:10 -0000

several of our customers, especially the bigger cooperations, haven't upgraded to IE7 bacause
- not all intranet apps are working well with IE7
- the upgrade is not hasslefree
clear profiles, reinstall certificates, ....

If IE6 and IE7 could coexist then the switch would have been made

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Jake — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:30:37 -0000

@Chris: Thanks, it's a bit tongue-in-cheek. On the one hand, it would be nice to drop IE6-specific development and testing, but on the other, you can't bully your users.

Thanks for the pointer to Dean's work.

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Chris Neumueller — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:00:45 -0000

Oops, s/Dave/Dean/

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Chris Neumueller — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:00:09 -0000

Hi!

I like your blog title ;-). Regarding JavaScript differences, there are several libraries that could help. See for example Dave Edwards' IE7-js (http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/).

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Jake — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:54:25 -0000

@Gary: I second that. IETab is a great way to do what I need, and I'd completely forgotten about it after upgrading to FF3. Good stuff.

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Gary — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:43:37 -0000

When you've got essential web apps that don't support IE7, you stick with IE6. Google "TestDirector IE7" for an example of the problem.
Maybe we need a separation of rendering engine and browser UI, like the IETab extension for Firefox.

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Jake — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:16:17 -0000

@Tim: This is cool.

Our problem is that we need to reproduce specific error conditions, usually caused by Javascript differences in IE6. A screenshot won't cut it, so we have bunches of browsers crossed with the big three O/S.

Re: Save the Developers from the Users

Tim Hall — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:47:42 -0000

Hi.

You could do some of your basic testing without installign different browsers if you use this:

http://browsershots.org/

Cheers

Tim...