Yeah, I remember waiting in line for the keypunch machine, 'cause it was quicker than waiting on keypunch operators...
John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)
· 8 months ago
My comment is going to sound like it came out of the Dark Ages, since I attended undergraduate college in 1979-1983.
In those days, the computer lab was the ONLY place where you could do any computer work, and I literally knew of no one who had a personal computer. In those days, our computer was a DEC PDP-11/70 running UNIX with a beautiful textual interface (although we did have Tektronix monitors that were capable of plotting graphical information on the screen).
Although I was as untrendy then as I am now, I did have the presence of mind to write my thesis on the computer, rather than typing (and re-typing) it on a typewriter. This involved the use of nroff with a special set of macros (I can't remember if I used the -mm or -ms macros for my thesis), and obviously required you to leave your dorm room and trudge to the computer lab to get your work done. (I still remember heading to the lab just after the final episode of M*A*S*H aired.)
Within a few short years, the college would be wired for network connections, and you could actually compute from your dorm room. It's a different world today.
Jake
· 8 months ago
You guys are legit old school. I feel like a dinosaur because when we first got the magical Internet, it came through something called America On Line on someone's personal machine. Of course, we soon found the school's connection was way faster and better b/c it had Mosaic, then Netscape.
I remember how frustrating it was to type "espnsportszone.com". That still gets me.
jpiwowar
· 8 months ago
Ah, memories. I found a box of old 3.5" floppies from university days while cleaning 2 weeks ago. Lacking both hardware to read them and confidence that the bits were intact anyway, I converted them to toddler toys. The labels sure took me back.
I went to school at that awkward time where lots of people needed to use computers for their work, but not many had personal machines. Mid-term and finals weeks got pretty rough in the labs; classmates would email around when they found a lab that was miraculously uncrowded...what a game-changer an IM client or Twitter would've been for those situations.
My wife is getting her PhD at my undergrad alma mater, so I get to tour through the ol' stomping grounds every now and then. One of the labs I frequented as a freshman has been bulldozed for a greenspace/parking lot combo, but many of the others are still humming along, complete with that only-in-the-lab muffled clackety-clack keyboard sound and the unique olfactory signature of the "unwashed masses."
And hey, waitaminnit: Mountain Dew and Jack in the Box? You didn't have a no food-n-drink policy in your labs? Our lab manager overlords could get pretty huffy about that stuff.
John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)
· 8 months ago
I have a couple of floppies sitting around that I need to throw away, but I haven't done so yet. (And yes, they're 3.5" floppies, not 5.25" or 8.5" floppies...)
Jake
· 8 months ago
We used to eat out on the patio right outside the lab in question. It was very close to a food court area and a parking lot, which made it more desirable for late night hacking (and junk food consumption). The other labs were too far inside the campus.
Rich
· 8 months ago
The only reason I would go to the computer lab is to use the printer.
Medela
· 8 months ago
So is that the only thing you use the computer, it's quite surprising!
Jake
· 8 months ago
I assume you mean now vs. back in the day. Does anyone use lab computers anymore?
davidhaimes
· 8 months ago
I still spent many hours in computer labs, we had a lab full of Sun workstations, an Oracle Lab and a networking lab, which back then could not be replaced by a PC.
I built my own PC for my final year (1996) and a lot of my computer science classmates got a PC about that time. I remember one or two laptops, but we all thought they were just being flash.
joel garry
· 8 months ago
I was thinking of replying to the /. article that the various computer majors ought to have to build their own computer, learn an assembler. Even though I haven't done any stuff like that for 25+ years (besides part-swapping), it has always helped me, especially trying to understand the more modern piles of... paradigms.
Someone over there also pointed out there are still lots of things bigger than a PC us geeks need to play with.
Jake
· 8 months ago
Nice. I don't recall anything that big iron. We had boatloads of Macs, everywhere you went. I did some support on Win 3.11 in my senior year and remember wondering who used these things.
Dan Norris
· 8 months ago
I distinctly remember downloading slackware linux onto something like 15 3.5" floppies using a 28.8kbps modem over the course of a day or two (partly due to dropped connections). Before starting the download, I had to make room for the downloads on my hard drive (it might have been 200Mb or so...maybe less).
I also remember using "talk" and "ntalk" to chat with friends online.
Ahh...the good ol' days. Sad that my kids don't know what cassette tapes or VHS tapes are, let alone a world before computers when having an Apple IIgs with 1Mb of RAM meant you were *rich*.
And good tip on PCU--I loved that movie. I think that was the first one I remember with Jeremy Piven and I was a fan from then on.
Jake
· 8 months ago
I always wanted to try doggie biscuits in the luggage.
Lawrence Woodman
· 8 months ago
The thing I remember particularly fondly is coming in after coding all night and showing each other new tricks you had managed. This was especially true when tweaking assembler.
Jake
· 8 months ago
Assembler tweaking was too advanced for me. I wrote games instead, but yeah, it did seem like a big deal. Not so much anymore I think.
John Flack
· 8 months ago
I was at UVA in the early 70's. The computer lab (only one for the College of Arts and Sciences, probably one or two more in the School of Engineering) was filled with keypunch machines, and you would hand a pack of punch cards through a window to be run. Results in one or two hours - guaranteed, except at the end of the semester. Only people taking a programming class ever went there. Papers were written on a portable typewriter.
Jake
· 8 months ago
It's funny how fast technology moves. My freshman year, a couple people had those clunky word processors. By senior year, they had traded them in for desktops. A couple years after that, most freshmen were arriving with computers.
Punch cards sound fun. I think someone should recreate that experience at a geek museum. I'd pay for that.
John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)
· 8 months ago
Things have come full circle. Punch cards were limited to 80 characters. Now microblogging is limited to 140 characters. Short is good.
Jake
· 8 months ago
I love it. Excellent point.
flopflips
· 8 months ago
He he. I remember having to do a C programming assignment, and sitting in the computer lab, feeling completely thick and stupid. Or doing SQL in the same lab, and feeling the same, and feeling the same when doing JavaScript. Hey, I spot a theme here.
I remember in 1994, finding that you could use "newsgroups" on the PCs, using Nestcape, or something like that, and being very excited to find lots of people talking about the Beastie Boys and Doom2 cheats. What a cultured person I am. There were labs everywhere, when I was at Uni from 1992 - 1995, and again in 2000. Not sure what it'd be like now.
Jake
· 8 months ago
We're the same vintage. Some friends and I found an character mode chat room world freshman year. We then proceeded to get booted over and over just for fun. We were the ex-Presidents.
It was freaky odd when Mosaic/Netscape exposed a whole world of other people out there on the information superhighway.
I've been waiting to drop that for weeks :)
Matt Rasmussen
· 8 months ago
I remember thinking how cool my resume would be if I could get a work-study job in a lab. What perspective...
Speaking of tripping over a cord and unplugging computers, I was a consultant at a place that stuck 10 of us in a small conference room with rows of folding tables as desks. We had to shimmy between chairs and tables to get to our workstation and you guessed it, I tripped on one guy's power strip, it came unplugged, he lost everything he had worked on for a couple of hours. Still feel bad about that incident.
Jake
· 8 months ago
You can't be blamed for poor workspace design. Were those extra hours billable :)
Sounds a bit depressing. I worked in a metal-sided construction office for months in urban Detroit. Consultants get some crappy workspaces.
chet
· 8 months ago
Nerds!
All you are nerds I say.
What was a computer lab? Oh wait, that's where the smart people went. I didn't visit...until my second go at college.
Better yet, a PCU discussion.
I used to watch that every time it came on Comedy Central in the late nineties (I think). Piven was hilarious. Gutter (Favreau)?
Old Woman: Excuse me, but can you blow me where the pampers is? Gutter: What? Old Woman: Can you blow me where the pampers is? Gutter: What? Old Woman: Can you *show* me where the *campus* is?
At first viewing I most related to Gutter. As I matured, Droz was the man.
Jake
· 8 months ago
Ah yes, spoken like a true B&S man. I had forgotten your background in athletics. I do find it hard to believe you didn't spend any time in a lab.
We're not gonna protest. We're not gonna protest. Gutter is a tool.
Joonas
· 8 months ago
Remember debugging Scheme in a lab in my freshman year, and watching trains collide while trying to comprehend semaphores in parallel programming...
I think CS students still use labs at least to some extent, as there are course environments and custom software to be used, and e.g. tunneling X windows over the network is still not as robust as using a local *nix box (or has there been some radical improvements in this area?).
Then again, laptop usage *has* definitely increased so maybe labs will gradually fade away?
Jake
· 8 months ago
Aside from a CS lab, which still does have a place as a nerd sanctum (and a place for specialized software), all the other labs could be switched into co-working study spaces. Or other useful stuff.
From what I've heard, colleges are going to need the space, since the next generation is even bigger than the Baby Boom.
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In those days, the computer lab was the ONLY place where you could do any computer work, and I literally knew of no one who had a personal computer. In those days, our computer was a DEC PDP-11/70 running UNIX with a beautiful textual interface (although we did have Tektronix monitors that were capable of plotting graphical information on the screen).
Although I was as untrendy then as I am now, I did have the presence of mind to write my thesis on the computer, rather than typing (and re-typing) it on a typewriter. This involved the use of nroff with a special set of macros (I can't remember if I used the -mm or -ms macros for my thesis), and obviously required you to leave your dorm room and trudge to the computer lab to get your work done. (I still remember heading to the lab just after the final episode of M*A*S*H aired.)
Within a few short years, the college would be wired for network connections, and you could actually compute from your dorm room. It's a different world today.
I remember how frustrating it was to type "espnsportszone.com". That still gets me.
I went to school at that awkward time where lots of people needed to use computers for their work, but not many had personal machines. Mid-term and finals weeks got pretty rough in the labs; classmates would email around when they found a lab that was miraculously uncrowded...what a game-changer an IM client or Twitter would've been for those situations.
My wife is getting her PhD at my undergrad alma mater, so I get to tour through the ol' stomping grounds every now and then. One of the labs I frequented as a freshman has been bulldozed for a greenspace/parking lot combo, but many of the others are still humming along, complete with that only-in-the-lab muffled clackety-clack keyboard sound and the unique olfactory signature of the "unwashed masses."
And hey, waitaminnit: Mountain Dew and Jack in the Box? You didn't have a no food-n-drink policy in your labs? Our lab manager overlords could get pretty huffy about that stuff.
I built my own PC for my final year (1996) and a lot of my computer science classmates got a PC about that time. I remember one or two laptops, but we all thought they were just being flash.
Someone over there also pointed out there are still lots of things bigger than a PC us geeks need to play with.
I also remember using "talk" and "ntalk" to chat with friends online.
Ahh...the good ol' days. Sad that my kids don't know what cassette tapes or VHS tapes are, let alone a world before computers when having an Apple IIgs with 1Mb of RAM meant you were *rich*.
And good tip on PCU--I loved that movie. I think that was the first one I remember with Jeremy Piven and I was a fan from then on.
Punch cards sound fun. I think someone should recreate that experience at a geek museum. I'd pay for that.
I remember in 1994, finding that you could use "newsgroups" on the PCs, using Nestcape, or something like that, and being very excited to find lots of people talking about the Beastie Boys and Doom2 cheats. What a cultured person I am. There were labs everywhere, when I was at Uni from 1992 - 1995, and again in 2000. Not sure what it'd be like now.
It was freaky odd when Mosaic/Netscape exposed a whole world of other people out there on the information superhighway.
I've been waiting to drop that for weeks :)
Speaking of tripping over a cord and unplugging computers, I was a consultant at a place that stuck 10 of us in a small conference room with rows of folding tables as desks. We had to shimmy between chairs and tables to get to our workstation and you guessed it, I tripped on one guy's power strip, it came unplugged, he lost everything he had worked on for a couple of hours. Still feel bad about that incident.
Sounds a bit depressing. I worked in a metal-sided construction office for months in urban Detroit. Consultants get some crappy workspaces.
All you are nerds I say.
What was a computer lab? Oh wait, that's where the smart people went. I didn't visit...until my second go at college.
Better yet, a PCU discussion.
I used to watch that every time it came on Comedy Central in the late nineties (I think). Piven was hilarious. Gutter (Favreau)?
Old Woman: Excuse me, but can you blow me where the pampers is?
Gutter: What?
Old Woman: Can you blow me where the pampers is?
Gutter: What?
Old Woman: Can you *show* me where the *campus* is?
I've head days like that (wait, I still do).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110759/quotes
At first viewing I most related to Gutter. As I matured, Droz was the man.
We're not gonna protest. We're not gonna protest. Gutter is a tool.
I think CS students still use labs at least to some extent, as there are course environments and custom software to be used, and e.g. tunneling X windows over the network is still not as robust as using a local *nix box (or has there been some radical improvements in this area?).
Then again, laptop usage *has* definitely increased so maybe labs will gradually fade away?
From what I've heard, colleges are going to need the space, since the next generation is even bigger than the Baby Boom.